Thursday 27 October, 2005
Musings
Last week at work I got myself speakers with a headphone jack (one of the applications I was testing had sounds that needed to be checked) so this week I've been listening to BBC Radio 4, something I got addicted to while living in England. Lets face it - no one in the world does news like BBC, something I got really blasé about when it was the standard but that I've really now missed in Canada where the news come from various biased sources (unfortunately some of them American - never good). And I still like to follow British politics, it was part of my life for so long that once and a while I need to check how "folks back home" are doing - whereas Finnish politics are starting to feel like ancient history and only things that stick to mind are idiots like Vanhanen and Karpela which probably doesn't give a very accurate image of the state of the affairs.
Anyway, British politics. Something that they have been wrestling with lately has been banning of smoking in public places. This is actually a topic close to my heart - something that basically prevented me from spending much time in British pubs was the smoking: I literally get sick from tobacco smoke, and I'm not even getting to the effect of second hand smoking that are quite widely known. In Vancouver there is a total ban on smoking in public places, and I love it, love it, love it... The fact that you can eat your lunch or dinner in a nice environment, but also that you can spend an evening in a club without getting sick from the smoke is simply fabulous. And this was the way England was going to go, too - I understand Scotland had already decided to do that, and Wales will probably follow suit - until Blair started flip-flopping and yesterday made a decision to go for a partial ban. The arguments put forward have been ridiculous to put it politely - for example that "if people can't smoke in the pub they go home to smoke and expose their kids to second hand smoking" whereas research shows that in the countries where smoking on public places has been banned there has been a decrease of smoking altogether - people still want to drink more than they want to smoke.
Result is that smoking has been banned in places that serve food and will be allowed in clubs and pubs that don't serve food (although what constitutes as food is apparently not defined), and in "private clubs". This does very little for the original aim of the ban that was supposed to protect the bar staff - it puts them in unequal position where in some places they are protected and in other they aren't, let alone compared to their colleagues in Scotland and Wales that are all protected. It's a complete cop-out, and the only reason I can think for this is got to be some kind of lobbying from the tobacco companies. Research done on the bans in other countries prove that bans are in fact very popular and health benefits are tangible, so I find it difficult to believe that the result is because they would be afraid of what people will think.
And one thing I have never understood either, has been the insistence that smoking is somehow an issue about personal freedom. Yes, I can understand why people argue they have a right to pollute their own lungs and take years off their own lives - albeit it means they still use the hospitals that I pay for - but why do people think they have the right to do that to anyone else? Some people wouldn't dream of smoking in front of their children (and good for them) - but still insist they should be able to do it with their friends and complete strangers. They oppose having to go into smelling smoking rooms on the airport, but still think it's fine to expose me to that smoke and make my clothes smell like that. I hope the government in Britain will have the balls to go with a total ban eventually.
Posted by kolibri at 27 October 14:08, 2005The part of me that is evil says that smoking is good for the government: smoking people pay a lot of money in tobacco tax over the years, and then they die early in their retirement, so you don't have to pay much pension. Smoking does not really affect the work quality either (unlike drinking).
Maybe the UK government views people as resources rather than human beings it is supposed to take care of. Or maybe they're just spineless bastards who can't make the right decision because they're afraid that the tabloids might overthrow them.
# 2 - Jaakko (on October 28, 2005 02:41 AM):
Having lived now half a year in a country where smoking is banned in bars, clubs and restaurants, I have to say that I have grown to like it. Even though I smoke I have to admit that it is convenient when one can wear the same clothes after a night out. Of course, it is easy to do this during the summer when smoking can be done out side the venue (which of course happens, it is not like people will just quit en masse). Basically I support the ban as long as there is a possibility for the smokers to get a smoke somewhere (and not, for example, have to pay again when coming back in to the club).
That said, I have to say that Kolibri's last paragraph is driving me up the wall. This logic, let's call it health fascism, is at best dodgy. The whole who pays for the risk behavior leads to not only smokers being taxed more (which they are), but soon also fat people, people with inheritary diseses in the family and so forth.
Considering that the various governments are compeating on who gets to remove most liberties, I am not about to see this one taken away. If you don't want someone to smoke around you, say so. Common courtesy, letting people both smoke and not be subjected to smoke is actually not that difficult to manage.
# 3 - Janne (on October 28, 2005 03:30 AM):
There are actually two arguments in the last paragraph: one which says that people have a right to breathe smokefree air (which I completely agree with), and one which says that the healthy need to pay for the people who willfully damage themselves. The latter is what you call health fascism, yes?
There is a certain problem in it, yes, if taken to the extreme. Of course, that's why tobacco is so heavily taxed. But it's difficult to apply that to other areas of "self-damagement" - I don't think anyone has figured out a proper way to do that - nor have they figured out whether it's the right thing to do.
# 4 - kolibri
(on October 28, 2005 08:22 AM): Regarding health fascism: I think I've resigned to the fact that it's something I need to do, to pay for the common good even if it's self-inflicted. Who knows what'll happen to me or my loved ones in the future. Doesn't mean I can't whine about it ;)
But what comes to the right to breathe smokefree air, that one I will fight for. Amongst friends it's not an issue, I can ask them to stop/move if need be - although my smoking friends are very polite to start with - but amongst strangers? Can you imagine in a restaurant going from table to table asking people to stop smoking because I don't like it? On the street? In a club? And that's just me, as a private person who doesn't like cigarette smoke... but for people working in those environments it's even worse, they don't even have the option of leaving.
# 5 - Ursa Major (on October 29, 2005 09:13 AM):
By the way, BBC Radio 4 seems to send some quality programs from Helsinki, too: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/from_our_own_correspondent/4384992.stm .
I hope the next subject is something brighter.
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